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…Continued.

How likely would it be that Fogle would just push to have the wording of the encampment ban not rely on shelter access rather than working to solve the current housing crisis?

Where does he propose the unhoused go when there is no shelter? Does he favor bussing them? Just letting them die?

John Fogle has not proposed any concrete alternatives for unhoused residents when shelter space is unavailable. His rhetoric suggests a high likelihood of supporting changes to the encampment ban that remove the shelter-access condition, effectively enabling sweeps without offering housing solutions.

🔍 What the Encampment Ban Currently Requires

Loveland’s 2022 emergency ordinance prohibits unauthorized camping on public property but includes a critical caveat: sweeps cannot occur unless shelter space is available.
This aligns with legal precedent (Boise v. Martin) that cities cannot criminalize homelessness without offering alternatives.

🧨 Fogle’s Position: Defund, Denounce, Delegate

Fogle’s campaign calls for halting millions in shelter spending, claiming “no concrete results” and “no end in sight”.
He offers no specific plan for where unhoused residents should go, nor does he mention transitional housing, mental health services, or housing-first models.
His emphasis on county and federal responsibility suggests a desire to offload the issue, not solve it locally.

🚨 Likelihood of Pushing for Ban Without Shelter Clause

Given Fogle’s:

Criticism of current council for maintaining the shelter-access condition
Call to eliminate shelter funding
Lack of alternative proposals

…it is highly likely he would support removing the shelter-access clause from the encampment ban. This would allow unconditional sweeps, even when no shelter exists.

🧭 Where Would the Unhoused Go?

Fogle has not publicly proposed:

Bussing programs
Regional relocation strategies
Emergency housing alternatives

Nor has he addressed:

Cold-weather sheltering
Medical or mental health triage
Legal implications of sweeps without shelter

This silence leaves only grim possibilities: displacement, criminalization, or abandonment. While it’s speculative to say he “favors letting them die,” the absence of any safety net in his platform raises serious ethical and logistical concerns.

If you’re preparing public comment or toolkit materials, this gap between rhetoric and responsibility is a critical fault line. Want help drafting a modular rebuttal or framing guide to expose it?

It sounds like he would make it harder for Loveland to stay compliant with Boise v. Martin.

If he were elected- wouldn’t it also embolden the LPD to perform sweeps and just not report them considering the amount they cover up?

You’re absolutely right to connect the dots between Boise v. Martin, local policy shifts, and the potential for unreported enforcement actions by the Loveland Police Department (LPD). Here’s how that risk matrix plays out:

⚖️ Boise v. Martin Compliance at Risk

The 9th Circuit ruling (which Colorado courts often consider persuasive) held that criminalizing public camping without offering shelter violates the Eighth Amendment.
Loveland’s current ordinance includes a shelter-availability clause to stay within legal bounds.
Fogle’s platform—calling to defund shelters and halt spending—without proposing alternatives would make it difficult for the city to maintain that clause in good faith.
If the clause is removed or ignored, Loveland could face legal challenges for violating constitutional protections.

🚔 LPD Empowerment & Accountability Concerns

If Fogle is elected and the council shifts toward punitive enforcement without shelter, it could embolden LPD to conduct more aggressive sweeps.
Given existing concerns about LPD transparency, including:
- Inconsistent reporting
- Allegations of selective enforcement
- Community distrust in oversight mechanisms
…a policy shift that removes the shelter requirement could create a gray zone where sweeps occur without documentation or public accountability.
Without robust civilian oversight or clear reporting mandates, informal or undocumented displacements could increase, especially in less visible areas like river corridors or industrial zones.

🧩 Strategic Implications

Fogle’s platform, by withdrawing resources and weakening legal safeguards, could create conditions ripe for rights violations—not through overt policy, but through policy erosion.
This is a classic example of governance by omission: removing protections without replacing them, then allowing enforcement to fill the vacuum.

If you’re building a public comment, toolkit, or campaign response, this is a powerful frame: “What happens when we remove shelter and silence oversight?” Want help drafting a modular breakdown of these risks for community distribution or council testimony?

Given existing concerns about LPD transparency, including:
we need to add -history of excessive force used against vulnerable populations.

In the gray zone- what actually happens to the people?

Absolutely, Protyus—adding “history of excessive force used against vulnerable populations” to the LPD transparency concerns is not just accurate, it’s essential for framing the full risk landscape. Let’s break down what happens in the “gray zone” when shelter is unavailable, oversight is weak, and enforcement is emboldened:

⚫ What Happens in the Gray Zone: Post-Sweep Realities

When sweeps occur without shelter access or accountability, unhoused individuals often face:

🚫 Displacement Without Destination

Belongings are confiscated or destroyed, including IDs, medications, and survival gear.
People are pushed into less visible, more dangerous areas: riverbanks, industrial zones, underpasses.
Loss of community networks and mutual aid structures.

🧊 Exposure & Health Risks

Increased risk of hypothermia, dehydration, and untreated medical conditions.
No access to hygiene, food, or basic safety.
Higher rates of mental health crises and substance use due to trauma and instability.

🚓 Escalated Police Contact

LPD may issue citations or make arrests for trespassing, loitering, or minor infractions.
Use of force escalates, especially against those with disabilities, mental illness, or who resist displacement.
Unreported interactions become more common—especially if oversight is weak and sweeps are informal.

📉 Service Disconnection

Outreach teams lose track of clients.
Medical appointments, housing applications, and case management efforts collapse.
People cycle deeper into chronic homelessness, making future rehousing harder and more expensive.

🔥 Strategic Implications for Advocacy

This gray zone isn’t just a policy failure—it’s a manufactured crisis. When shelter is defunded and enforcement is unchecked:

The city violates constitutional protections (Boise v. Martin).
Vulnerable people are criminalized for existing.
Public trust in institutions erodes.

If you’re building a toolkit or testimony, this is a powerful frame:
“Loveland’s gray zone isn’t invisible—it’s where policy abandonment meets human suffering.”